Possible conversion from Vista 21iP/TC2 to IQ4/ADC

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I currently have a DIY installed Honeywell Vista 21iP system with TotalConnect 2 that has been in place for 10+ years. I need to make a decision to address AT&T 3G sunset and instead of replacing the communicator, I have been considering moving to an IQ4/ADC with Surety as having a system that is more modern in the automation/integration space sounds attractive.

The current system consists of: 1 x6160RF wired keypad w/wireless receiver, 1 x DT-7435 wired motion, 1 x 5898 wireless motion, 11 x two-wire wired doors/windows, 2 x 5820L wireless door/window, 3 x 5816 wireless door/window, 2 x 5808W3 wireless smokes, 1 x DSC SD15W-ULF siren (400mA peak), 1 x spare/unused Honeywell WAVE2 siren (500mA), 1 x Honeywell 748 Siren (1200mA peak) siren.

On to the questions:

  1. Will all of these wireless items work in the same way they do today with the PowerG + 345 Mhz IQ4 Kit and ADC?
  2. When comparing these particular Honeywell wireless models against a PowerG or S-Line equivalent, are there any capabilities I lose by continuing to use the Honeywell units vs. switching to PowerG or S-Line? I am not opposed to starting a transition to PowerG or S-Line wirless hardware if there are substantial benefits.
  3. Is there anything to be concerned with in general when using the hardwire takeover modules, such as finicky zone behavior, being less secure, etc?
  4. With 11 hardwired zones and a PowerG+345Mhz kit, I would need 2 of the PowerG hadwire takeover units–are these considered better/worse/the same as the S-Line takeover units? I usually see most discussion center around the S-Line hardwire units.
  5. All of my hardwired windows/doors have EOL installed the panel (yes, I know this defeats the purpose), would I wire these zones into PowerG hardwire unit in the exact same way they are into the 21iP now, simply moving over the 2 wires/resitors as-is?
  6. Can I use the 4-wire DT-7435 motion with the PowerG hardwire unit?
  7. Can I use third party 2 or 4 wire smokes with the PowerG hardwire unit, such as System Sensor 2WT-B/4WT-B, COSMO-2W/COSMO-4W,
  8. Would I need a separate battery for each PowerG 8-zone hardwire unit, or could I drove both from a single battery?
  9. Are there any concerns with putting hardwire units inside a metal can? I have 2 of the standard Honeywell brown cabinets that are mounted just a few feet from where the IQ4 will be mounted with just a 2x4/drywall wall in-between.
  10. How does the IQ4’s internal speaker/siren compare to my DSC and WAVE2 sirens in terms of volume output? The DSC has been my indoor siren since day and I got the WAVE2 to replace it but never swapped it in. Would the IQ4’s internal siren be adequate as a replacement or would the DSC or WAVE2 be louder?
  11. Between the IQ4 and PowerG hardwire takeover units, can I drive any of my existing sirens without an external power supply? If an external power supply is needed, what would be recommended and is any other equipment required to wire it all together?
  12. Are there any remote keypads compatible with IQ4 that can run on battery only? Do these models stays “always lit” where display is always on or only when you start to press buttons?
  13. I have a Chamberlain garage door open with WiFi & MyQ built in, would I need any extra hardware to tie that into alarm.com?
  14. I have a wired zone on my garage door (the actual exterior garage door) with a differnt entry and exit delay than my other entry/exit delay doors, an I mimic this behavior in the IQ4?
  15. I use “Armed Instant” (aka “Armed Stay Instant” at night when everyone is in the home–this bypasses motion zones and eliminates entry delay on zones that normally have delay, does this arming state exist in the IQ4?
  16. I use “Armed Maximum” (aka “Armed Away Instant”) when I out of town–this arms all zones and eliminates entry delay on zones that normally have delay, does this arming state exist int he IQ4? (Yes, this does require disarming via app before entering the house)
  17. The Honeywell Vista has an “Exit Delay Restart” option which provides two behavior: 1) When Armed STAY, pressing * will start the exti delay timer, allowing you to open an entry/exit door without need to disarm the sytem. 2) When Armed AWAY, re-opening an entry/exit door BEFORE the exit delay expires (re-entering) will cause the entry/exit timer to reset the delay time. Are either of these behavios available in the IQ4?
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Curious who r u currently using

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Will all of these wireless items work in the same way they do today with the PowerG + 345 Mhz IQ4 Kit and ADC?

Compatibility list can be found here.

All of those 5800 series wireless sensors would work. If the smoke detectors are 10 years old however they likely need replaced.

When comparing these particular Honeywell wireless models against a PowerG or S-Line equivalent, are there any capabilities I lose by continuing to use the Honeywell units vs. switching to PowerG or S-Line? I am not opposed to starting a transition to PowerG or S-Line wirless hardware if there are substantial benefits.

S-Line is not compatible with the 345Mhz version of the panel. You would need to decide to either use existing sensors or not.

PowerG is compatible with all versions of the IQ Panel 4 though, and I would generally recommend it over other sensor types if going for new sensors anyway.

The Honeywell sensors do not use encryption and their natural range is lower. PowerG is objectively more secure, but you could replace zones over time or just continue using existing wireless sensors.

Is there anything to be concerned with in general when using the hardwire takeover modules, such as finicky zone behavior, being less secure, etc?

In general, follow the manual for a smooth installation. Do not install a hardwired module inside a metal can, do not use an alternate power source.

With 11 hardwired zones and a PowerG+345Mhz kit, I would need 2 of the PowerG hadwire takeover units–are these considered better/worse/the same as the S-Line takeover units? I usually see most discussion center around the S-Line hardwire units.

S-Line is a 319.5 mhz signal, not an option on a 345Mhz panel. You could use the Hardwire PowerG takeover, or you could use the 2GIG TAKE1-345. The TAKE1-345 is not an option with your other questions however. It doesn’t support smoke detectors or sirens.

All of my hardwired windows/doors have EOL installed the panel (yes, I know this defeats the purpose), would I wire these zones into PowerG hardwire unit in the exact same way they are into the 21iP now, simply moving over the 2 wires/resitors as-is?

Follow the instruction manual. It will depend on the takeover method you choose and the resistors you currently have.

Most likely yes, since the PowerG takeover module can accept between 1-10kohm resistors.

Can I use the 4-wire DT-7435 motion with the PowerG hardwire unit?

Yes.

Can I use third party 2 or 4 wire smokes with the PowerG hardwire unit, such as System Sensor 2WT-B/4WT-B, COSMO-2W/COSMO-4W

Yes. [Instructions are on pages 19-21 here](https://Can I use third party 2 or 4 wire smokes with the PowerG hardwire unit, such as System Sensor 2WT-B/4WT-B, COSMO-2W/COSMO-4W).

Would I need a separate battery for each PowerG 8-zone hardwire unit, or could I drove both from a single battery?

For the PowerG hardwire, separate, especially if wired smoke detectors or extra sirens are involved.

Are there any concerns with putting hardwire units inside a metal can? I have 2 of the standard Honeywell brown cabinets that are mounted just a few feet from where the IQ4 will be mounted with just a 2x4/drywall wall in-between.

Don’t put them in metal cans. The translator sends RF signals, and comes with its own plastic enclosure.

How does the IQ4’s internal speaker/siren compare to my DSC and WAVE2 sirens in terms of volume output? The DSC has been my indoor siren since day and I got the WAVE2 to replace it but never swapped it in. Would the IQ4’s internal siren be adequate as a replacement or would the DSC or WAVE2 be louder?

The WAVE2 is a 106 db siren The IQ Panel 4 uses an 85 db internal siren.

Between the IQ4 and PowerG hardwire takeover units, can I drive any of my existing sirens without an external power supply? If an external power supply is needed, what would be recommended and is any other equipment required to wire it all together?

You could likely use one WAVE2 without additional power supply off of the PowerG Hardwire. The PowerG bell output provides up to 700ma.

Are there any remote keypads compatible with IQ4 that can run on battery only? Do these models stays “always lit” where display is always on or only when you start to press buttons?

The WS9LCDWF9 would be a keypad capable of being battery powered that is compatible with the Qolsys panel. Always on is not an option for battery only if I recall correctly.

I have a Chamberlain garage door open with WiFi & MyQ built in, would I need any extra hardware to tie that into alarm.com?

No.

I have a wired zone on my garage door (the actual exterior garage door) with a differnt entry and exit delay than my other entry/exit delay doors, an I mimic this behavior in the IQ4?

Yes. See page 45 for normal and long delay settings.

I use “Armed Instant” (aka “Armed Stay Instant” at night when everyone is in the home–this bypasses motion zones and eliminates entry delay on zones that normally have delay, does this arming state exist in the IQ4?
I use “Armed Maximum” (aka “Armed Away Instant”) when I out of town–this arms all zones and eliminates entry delay on zones that normally have delay, does this arming state exist int he IQ4? (Yes, this does require disarming via app before entering the house)

You can optionally select No Entry Delay any time when arming the system, either stay or away.

The Honeywell Vista has an “Exit Delay Restart” option which provides two behavior: 1) When Armed STAY, pressing * will start the exti delay timer, allowing you to open an entry/exit door without need to disarm the sytem. 2) When Armed AWAY, re-opening an entry/exit door BEFORE the exit delay expires (re-entering) will cause the entry/exit timer to reset the delay time. Are either of these behavios available in the IQ4?

Yes, Auto Exit Time Extension is the applicable setting. Page 44 of the manual.